NS Cliches: Rebooted

by **Valentine Z** » Thu Dec 10, 2020 7:46 pm

Zitravgrad wrote:I think some people have a few hundreds or something, IIRC? Pls confirm the rumors.

by **Zitravgrad** » Thu Dec 10, 2020 7:49 pm

Valentine Z wrote:
Zitravgrad wrote:I think some people have a few hundreds or something, IIRC? Pls confirm the rumors.

Tip of the iceberg.

All those puppets, forming a massive army ready to raid and liberate regions.

"Birb"

by **Las Palmeras** » Thu Dec 10, 2020 7:55 pm

Zitravgrad wrote:
Valentine Z wrote:Tip of the iceberg.

All those puppets, forming a massive army ready to raid and liberate regions.

"Birb"

Magnificent, aren't they?

by **Zeloria** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 5:31 am

One thing I've kinda noticed are nations that are canonically some form of dictatorship, but according to the NS-stats, they have average or even high political freedoms. I interpret this as having a lot of freedom of speech and press, despite the country being some kind of autocracy.

That makes me wonder a few things, like: What if the people start asking for government representation? Or what if the good dictator dies, or resigns, and a bad dictator gets in power?

by **European Federation Reunified** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 5:54 am

Zeloria wrote:One thing I've kinda noticed are nations that are canonically some form of dictatorship, but according to the NS-stats, they have average or even high political freedoms. I interpret this as having a lot of freedom of speech and press, despite the country being some kind of autocracy.

That makes me wonder a few things, like: What if the people start asking for government representation? Or what if the good dictator dies, or resigns, and a bad dictator gets in power?

I think it's okay if in your signature you say NS stats are poop. In practice, it is the usual speech of not recognizing the NS stats in your RP nation.

by **Zeloria** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 6:02 am

European Federation Reunified wrote:
Zeloria wrote:One thing I've kinda noticed are nations that are canonically some form of dictatorship, but according to the NS-stats, they have average or even high political freedoms. I interpret this as having a lot of freedom of speech and press, despite the country being some kind of autocracy.

That makes me wonder a few things, like: What if the people start asking for government representation? Or what if the good dictator dies, or resigns, and a bad dictator gets in power?

I think it's okay if in your signature you say NS stats are poop. In practice, it is the usual speech of not recognizing the NS stats in your RP nation.

I know that most nations don't use NS-stats, and maybe it's just me, but things like political freedom, civil rights and economic freedoms are the kind of stats that I more or less expect to be a bit accurate to the nation's canon, because it affects the nation's classification, and are the first things you see, when you look up a nation.

by **Kiu Ghesik** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 6:10 am

Zeloria wrote:
European Federation Reunified wrote:I think it's okay if in your signature you say NS stats are poop. In practice, it is the usual speech of not recognizing the NS stats in your RP nation.

I know that most nations don't use NS-stats, and maybe it's just me, but things like political freedom, civil rights and economic freedoms are the kind of stats that I more or less expect to be a bit accurate to the nation's canon, because it affects the nation's classification, and are the first things you see, when you look up a nation.

Tbh I just don't look at another nation's NS stats besides seeing how colourful they are and how many shiny badges they have. Otherwise I entirely refer to factbooks. Like... even for this nation the only stats I care about are primitiveness, welfare, and religiousness. And I don't think I'm alone in that. I think quite a few people just don't care at all about their stats, or others'.

by **Zeloria** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 6:27 am

Kiu Ghesik wrote:
Zeloria wrote:
I know that most nations don't use NS-stats, and maybe it's just me, but things like political freedom, civil rights and economic freedoms are the kind of stats that I more or less expect to be a bit accurate to the nation's canon, because it affects the nation's classification, and are the first things you see, when you look up a nation.

Tbh I just don't look at another nation's NS stats besides seeing how colourful they are and how many shiny badges they have. Otherwise I entirely refer to factbooks. Like... even for this nation the only stats I care about are primitiveness, welfare, and religiousness. And I don't think I'm alone in that. I think quite a few people just don't care at all about their stats, or others'.

Yeah, I agree with that. I also have some stats that I don't care about.

by **Big Stick Tribe** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 6:41 am

Valentine Z wrote:
Zitravgrad wrote:I think some people have a few hundreds or something, IIRC? Pls confirm the rumors.

Tip of the iceberg.

Nationstates Iceberg.

by **Valentine Z** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 7:26 am

I used a mix of stats. I also like making analysis trends like some nerd and am proud.

I have canonical stats but I'm trying to keep them to the level that I want. This is the case of me upping my Defense Forces.

HOWEVER, it is also of note that it's super tedious and nigh impossible to get stats that I want for me, because Valentine Z, being a duo-planentary power, will have Industries too! Alas, I can't bring them up just yet...

Oh but I do respect people on whether or not they use NS Stats. I won't force it on you. But I'll still flex it on you. Goldless nations, haha.

by **Zeloria** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 7:47 am

Valentine Z wrote:I used a mix of stats. I also like making analysis trends like some nerd and am proud. I have canonical stats but I'm trying to keep them to the level that I want. This is the case of me upping my Defense Forces.

HOWEVER, it is also of note that it's super tedious and nigh impossible to get stats that I want for me, because Valentine Z, being a duo-planentary lower, will have Industries too! Alas, I can't bring them up just yet...

Oh but I do respect people on whether or not they use NS Stats. I won't force it on you. But I'll still flex it on you. Goldless nations, haha.

The stats I care the least about, are the tax rate, and some of the industries, because they don't make sense with the type of nation I have.

by **Free Stalliongrad** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:50 am

Zeloria wrote:That makes me wonder a few things, like: What if the people start asking for government representation? Or what if the good dictator dies, or resigns, and a bad dictator gets in power?

This makes me think of all those threads to make elections that actually end with nothing, either because the user does not give you a precise end date and then eventually forget, and because not accept the poll result.
What a disaster if your Communist Party succeeds in taking power in your country with regular elections!

Valentine Z wrote:I used a mix of stats. I also like making analysis trends like some nerd and am proud. I have canonical stats but I'm trying to keep them to the level that I want. This is the case of me upping my Defense Forces.

HOWEVER, it is also of note that it's super tedious and nigh impossible to get stats that I want for me, because Valentine Z, being a duo-planentary lower, will have Industries too! Alas, I can't bring them up just yet...

Oh but I do respect people on whether or not they use NS Stats. I won't force it on you. But I'll still flex it on you. Goldless nations, haha.

I also use the NS stats to tune myself. If not with numbers, at least with charts. I always try to give an RP vision to the issues that NS proposes every day. Although, I have to admit, some are really pitfalls! It's okay that politics, the real one, is made up of compromises, discontent and risks, but hell, you can't make me look like a hell of a dictator if I oblige the reckless centaurs to wear a helmet!
Oh, what a violation of human rights!
Maybe it is also the answer that greatly lowers the condition of your civil rights or political freedom.

by **Khoronzon** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:37 am

I mostly use NS stats to fill in the gaps that my incomplete factbooks leave. Ever since I got rid of my overview and canon policies factbooks and marked most of Evehxhas' bio as outdated I'm not sure if it's even clear anymore that my nation's supposed to be a totalitarian state with a quasi-socialist economy, so in the meantime, before I get new factbooks up and running that describe its political and economic structure, my stats are still around to give a very broad idea of what those aspects are like. I also just like collecting shiny badges on my NS page.

by **Qhevak** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:47 am

Ridiculous force commitments to conflicts your nation wouldn't even have much reason to intervene in.

i.e.

"A small group of communist guerillas has done attacks on Nationstan's ports"

"I send 200,000 troops, 5000 tanks and 20 battleships with nuclear weapons on standby"

by **Kiu Ghesik** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:49 am

Qhevak wrote:Ridiculous force commitments to conflicts your nation wouldn't even have much reason to intervene in.

i.e.

"A small group of communist guerillas has done attacks on Nationstan's ports"

"I send 200,000 troops, 5000 tanks and 20 battleships with nuclear weapons on standby"

The only case where that makes sense is if you're Putin ~~or the CIA~~ and looking to """stabilize""" nearby nations.

12 March 2022

Kiu Ghesik wrote:
Qhevak wrote:Ridiculous force commitments to conflicts your nation wouldn't even have much reason to intervene in.

i.e.

"A small group of communist guerillas has done attacks on Nationstan's ports"

"I send 200,000 troops, 5000 tanks and 20 battleships with nuclear weapons on standby"

The only case where that makes sense is if you're Putin ~~or the CIA~~ and looking to """stabilize""" nearby nations.

I mean, Vietnam was kind of far away. That was a full-blown war, though. ~~Let's Cold war the CCP! Who's in?~~

by **Gandoor** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 5:44 pm

Zeloria wrote:One thing I've kinda noticed are nations that are canonically some form of dictatorship, but according to the NS-stats, they have average or even high political freedoms. I interpret this as having a lot of freedom of speech and press, despite the country being some kind of autocracy.

That makes me wonder a few things, like: What if the people start asking for government representation? Or what if the good dictator dies, or resigns, and a bad dictator gets in power?

I have a puppet that's both canonically and NS-statswise a dictatorship, but the nation doesn't have the autocracy policy, so I'll still get issues on that account about having elections and opposing parties and a legislature that isn't a rubber-stamp lol.

I'm trying to keep it that way because it's kind of hilarious to me.

12 March 2022

Gandoor wrote:
Zeloria wrote:One thing I've kinda noticed are nations that are canonically some form of dictatorship, but according to the NS-stats, they have average or even high political freedoms. I interpret this as having a lot of freedom of speech and press, despite the country being some kind of autocracy.

That makes me wonder a few things, like: What if the people start asking for government representation? Or what if the good dictator dies, or resigns, and a bad dictator gets in power?

I have a puppet that's both canonically and NS-statswise a dictatorship, but the nation doesn't have the autocracy policy, so I'll still get issues on that account about having elections and opposing parties and a legislature that isn't a rubber-stamp lol.

I'm trying to keep it that way because it's kind of hilarious to me.

BEAUTIFUL.

12 March 2022

New Cliche: NSG threads questioning every single aspect, including the existence, of the US government.

by **Federal Remnants** » Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:27 pm

Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:New Cliche: NSG threads questioning every single aspect, including the existence, of the US government.

something tells me i'm not missing out on much by not poking into NSG threads, no?

12 March 2022

Federal Remnants wrote:
Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:New Cliche: NSG threads questioning every single aspect, including the existence, of the US government.

something tells me i'm not missing out on much by not poking into NSG threads, no?

Nope. And if you're pro-capitalist and pro-'Murica, it can get dicey.

by **Federal Remnants** » Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:45 pm

Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:
Federal Remnants wrote:
something tells me i'm not missing out on much by not poking into NSG threads, no?

Nope. And if you're pro-capitalist and pro-'Murica, it can get dicey.

i'm neither of those but still, i just see endless back and forth that doesn't really do much to convince either side and it inevitably ends up with someone being warned for flaming. not worth it. i'll stick to writing lore.

12 March 2022

Federal Remnants wrote:
Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:Nope. And if you're pro-capitalist and pro-'Murica, it can get dicey.

i'm neither of those but still, i just see endless back and forth that doesn't really do much to convince either side and it inevitably ends up with someone being warned for flaming. not worth it. i'll stick to writing lore.

Pretty much.

by **Valentine Z** » Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:28 pm

It's a trend, trust me. I have seen, and not limited to:

- X and the Inevitability of Communism.
- Should X be banned?
- X and Donation Voting. Well, the OP title wasn't clear, BUT you know that coming from them, it's going to be about the DV.
- X. Yes or No?
- Should America be abolished? Should it be split? I told you people I want 50 separate countries duking it out (well, not war, just endless bickering between e.g. Florida and North Dakota)!

by **Aikoland** » Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:29 pm

I genuinely feel that NSG has gotten more...I don't wanna say 'extreme' but like much more divided and hostile over the years. It's a big reason why I 99% of the time stopped posting over there. I know it's not literally everyone who posts there, but I like to read [R] threads in Moderation sometimes (it's fun especially when the user who gets warned/banned immediately thinks it's cuz of some mod conspiracy/bias against them/etc) and hoo boy some of the shit that gets reported (even if it's ruled non-actionable) I'd probably get my ass warned or worse because I do not mince words about how I feel about some of these types on other sites and I'd have a hella hard time restraining myself from telling some of them to 'fuck off' or 'suck my girly dick bitch' if I did post in NSG lmao.

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